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		<title>By: Mr.Kesik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.Kesik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, windows vista lags on my machine, I installed and all my device drivers were all screwed up. The only reason I decided to try Vista is that there is a lot of talk about all the improvements to it but I have no problems running my XP Machine. I hope that it won&#039;t be a big waste of money when I go out to try the next version of Windows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, windows vista lags on my machine, I installed and all my device drivers were all screwed up. The only reason I decided to try Vista is that there is a lot of talk about all the improvements to it but I have no problems running my XP Machine. I hope that it won&#8217;t be a big waste of money when I go out to try the next version of Windows.</p>
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		<title>By: Sofia Tegui-in</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sofia Tegui-in</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im a student who would be reporting in my Updates in IT class. my report would be about the latest operating systems. i&#039;ve choosen Windows Vista... i know that somehow perhaps it has the uniquness and bright differences among other OSes. i&#039;ve got articles bout this page... including yopur comments. Thanks.:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im a student who would be reporting in my Updates in IT class. my report would be about the latest operating systems. i&#8217;ve choosen Windows Vista&#8230; i know that somehow perhaps it has the uniquness and bright differences among other OSes. i&#8217;ve got articles bout this page&#8230; including yopur comments. Thanks.:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 15:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fernando, for many it is &quot;free&quot; because they have license agreements. But I agree that for all others Vista&#039;s high price is certainly a counterargument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fernando, for many it is &#8220;free&#8221; because they have license agreements. But I agree that for all others Vista&#8217;s high price is certainly a counterargument.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 15:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher, thanks. I think, it depends on what you consider as rock solid. If you compare XP with Windows ME, I’d say it is rock solid. At least there were no complaints about XP’s reliability in the media during these past years. That means something. I agree with everything else you said. It is not because of XP’s better design that makes it more reliable, but the fact that some software and hardware vendors are still fighting with Vista. The case with your CRM tool is a good example.

Moop2000, I suppose that in your case the kernel mode part was affected, too. In theory, a reboot shouldn’t be necessary if only the user mode driver crashes. But well that is only theory. Who knows what it is really going on when such an integral part of the OS hangs.

Ochiru, thanks a lot for the hints. I can use that for my article in German that I am currently preparing. What do you mean by driver signing? You mean the required driver signing for Vista x64?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher, thanks. I think, it depends on what you consider as rock solid. If you compare XP with Windows ME, I’d say it is rock solid. At least there were no complaints about XP’s reliability in the media during these past years. That means something. I agree with everything else you said. It is not because of XP’s better design that makes it more reliable, but the fact that some software and hardware vendors are still fighting with Vista. The case with your CRM tool is a good example.</p>
<p>Moop2000, I suppose that in your case the kernel mode part was affected, too. In theory, a reboot shouldn’t be necessary if only the user mode driver crashes. But well that is only theory. Who knows what it is really going on when such an integral part of the OS hangs.</p>
<p>Ochiru, thanks a lot for the hints. I can use that for my article in German that I am currently preparing. What do you mean by driver signing? You mean the required driver signing for Vista x64?</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 10:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, gee, everyone here speaks as if the cost of the OS was &quot;free&quot;.

It is not free and the cost of a Vista Ultimate is orders of magnitude higher than a copy of XP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, gee, everyone here speaks as if the cost of the OS was &#8220;free&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is not free and the cost of a Vista Ultimate is orders of magnitude higher than a copy of XP.</p>
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		<title>By: ochiru</title>
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		<dc:creator>ochiru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s more common with XP that single process can make system unresponsive. With Vista I&#039;ve usually been able to sort the issue without a reboot.

I mentioned dualcore support as with XP I personally had reliability/performance problems with my Athlon 64 X2. Same hardware with Vista installed have had no similar problems.

-Driver signing and user mode GPU driver

With XP there were and still are a lot of unstable or plain broken GPU drivers - especially nVidia had those frequently. With Vista I have had yet to encounter such problems with nVidia or ATI drivers. But I&#039;ve updated a few Intel GPU drivers in Lenovo T61 laptops because those were causing crashes.

-System Restore

With XP this never really worked. It works in Vista fixing an unbootable installation after a PSU failure and crash. Because even the most reliable system can still have hardware failures.

-SP1

Fixed those annoying sleep mode and file transfer problems I had with my T60 and has improved reliability index in those systems I&#039;ve installed it already. I haven&#039;t installed it to x64 any Vistas yet so I don&#039;t know if it has similar results. XP SP3 in comparision doesn&#039;t seem to be even an essential update, not until you&#039;ve W2008 Servers.

-Windows Update installarions

Some laptops users have a peculiar habit of shutting down systems before installations are complete. Seems so far that Vista can manage this better than XP SP2.

-Offline files
There haven&#039;t been any problems with these in Vista laptops. Missing offline files have been one of the more common problems with XP SP2.

-Copy protections and malware

Neither Vista x86 or x64 have yet suffered problems with these. There&#039;s still zero virus infection on Vista machines I manage.
In comparison, I recently spend full 9 hours of my saturday cleaning up clients XP SP2 laptop - from about 1800 infected files :(

Copy protection I&#039;ve mentioned because those act like viruses and cause all kinds of reliability issues.

Well, there&#039;s a few already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s more common with XP that single process can make system unresponsive. With Vista I&#8217;ve usually been able to sort the issue without a reboot.</p>
<p>I mentioned dualcore support as with XP I personally had reliability/performance problems with my Athlon 64 X2. Same hardware with Vista installed have had no similar problems.</p>
<p>-Driver signing and user mode GPU driver</p>
<p>With XP there were and still are a lot of unstable or plain broken GPU drivers &#8211; especially nVidia had those frequently. With Vista I have had yet to encounter such problems with nVidia or ATI drivers. But I&#8217;ve updated a few Intel GPU drivers in Lenovo T61 laptops because those were causing crashes.</p>
<p>-System Restore</p>
<p>With XP this never really worked. It works in Vista fixing an unbootable installation after a PSU failure and crash. Because even the most reliable system can still have hardware failures.</p>
<p>-SP1</p>
<p>Fixed those annoying sleep mode and file transfer problems I had with my T60 and has improved reliability index in those systems I&#8217;ve installed it already. I haven&#8217;t installed it to x64 any Vistas yet so I don&#8217;t know if it has similar results. XP SP3 in comparision doesn&#8217;t seem to be even an essential update, not until you&#8217;ve W2008 Servers.</p>
<p>-Windows Update installarions</p>
<p>Some laptops users have a peculiar habit of shutting down systems before installations are complete. Seems so far that Vista can manage this better than XP SP2.</p>
<p>-Offline files<br />
There haven&#8217;t been any problems with these in Vista laptops. Missing offline files have been one of the more common problems with XP SP2.</p>
<p>-Copy protections and malware</p>
<p>Neither Vista x86 or x64 have yet suffered problems with these. There&#8217;s still zero virus infection on Vista machines I manage.<br />
In comparison, I recently spend full 9 hours of my saturday cleaning up clients XP SP2 laptop &#8211; from about 1800 infected files <img src='http://4sysops.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Copy protection I&#8217;ve mentioned because those act like viruses and cause all kinds of reliability issues.</p>
<p>Well, there&#8217;s a few already.</p>
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		<title>By: ochiru</title>
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		<dc:creator>ochiru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree that XP is any more reliable than Vista. There are a few points why I think that is the case:

-Memory management and dualcore support</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree that XP is any more reliable than Vista. There are a few points why I think that is the case:</p>
<p>-Memory management and dualcore support</p>
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		<title>By: moop2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>moop2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, I&#039;ve seen WDDM trying to save the day myself. After installing the latest ATI drivers for my video card, I&#039;ve had my system freak out a couple times. I&#039;ll get a pop-up message in the system tray that states that the Video Driver has failed and it is attempting to restart it. So it is an improvement, my system doesn&#039;t blue screen immediately, and will let me close programs and save open documents. But it&#039;s not perfect. Once the driver crashes the first time, it never comes back to life correctly, and it will keep crashing till I actually get a blue screen. So I&#039;ve learned now, if I get the message the driver failed, closed what I have, and reboot the machine myself. So no, its not perfect, but it is a big improvement over XP in terms of trying to keep video drivers from taking out the system.

That being said, I still prefer XP in terms of speed over Vista any day. It should not take as long as it does to move/copy files on a modern computer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, I&#8217;ve seen WDDM trying to save the day myself. After installing the latest ATI drivers for my video card, I&#8217;ve had my system freak out a couple times. I&#8217;ll get a pop-up message in the system tray that states that the Video Driver has failed and it is attempting to restart it. So it is an improvement, my system doesn&#8217;t blue screen immediately, and will let me close programs and save open documents. But it&#8217;s not perfect. Once the driver crashes the first time, it never comes back to life correctly, and it will keep crashing till I actually get a blue screen. So I&#8217;ve learned now, if I get the message the driver failed, closed what I have, and reboot the machine myself. So no, its not perfect, but it is a big improvement over XP in terms of trying to keep video drivers from taking out the system.</p>
<p>That being said, I still prefer XP in terms of speed over Vista any day. It should not take as long as it does to move/copy files on a modern computer!</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Vista has the potential to be more reliable, and can&#039;t really say that XP is rock solid.  Of all the problems that I work through on XP, they&#039;re almost always caused by applications.  XP&#039;s big problem then is that it allows applications to stomp all over it.

The current problem with Vista&#039;s stability however is that the applications that I must run today have often not yet released a version that is Vista compatible, or I can&#039;t afford to upgrade to the version that is.  For example, my CRM, which is already 2 versions older than their latest:  It&#039;s going to cost me about 10grand in actual software costs to upgrade, 3 man months in time/payroll, and then the costs associated with the actual rollout, that being, user training and reduced productivity while the users regain familiarity.  Were I to upgrade to Vista, that simple platform upgrade would require me to undertake some fairly significant projects in order to bring all of the applications up to version that supports Vista.  The current version of my CRM crashes all over the place if I try to run it on Vista, even in compatibility mode.

So in the case of my CRM, Vista is highly unstable with my current version, but I imagine would be rock solid with the latest released version.

I suppose I&#039;m also saying that the perceived stability of Vista relies heavily on the stability of the applications that run on it.  Perhaps XP is &quot;stable&quot; today simply because the applications/drivers have matured enough to leave XP alone.

As Microsoft moves towards running more in the user space and isolating the OS, I believe the stability of XP will be shambles in comparison.  Vista is headed in the right direction.  In addition, I imagine the perception of my end-users may change as they see applications crashing individually instead of taking down the entire platform.

I&#039;d really like to see Windows 7 become the very last full platform upgrade.  I&#039;d like to see a modular architecture that can be upgraded and downgraded similar to the linux kernel and the way you can load different kernels and modules through Grub.  Were Microsoft to take this modular approach to their OS, my ability to roll out new modules/kernels to my user base, as well as my comfort level with rolling new things out faster (because I could back them out with a simple boot.ini edit ala GRUB), well it would just be much easier and more economic for me to feed Microsoft and keep up with their platform.

Thanks for the post Michael; good topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Vista has the potential to be more reliable, and can&#8217;t really say that XP is rock solid.  Of all the problems that I work through on XP, they&#8217;re almost always caused by applications.  XP&#8217;s big problem then is that it allows applications to stomp all over it.</p>
<p>The current problem with Vista&#8217;s stability however is that the applications that I must run today have often not yet released a version that is Vista compatible, or I can&#8217;t afford to upgrade to the version that is.  For example, my CRM, which is already 2 versions older than their latest:  It&#8217;s going to cost me about 10grand in actual software costs to upgrade, 3 man months in time/payroll, and then the costs associated with the actual rollout, that being, user training and reduced productivity while the users regain familiarity.  Were I to upgrade to Vista, that simple platform upgrade would require me to undertake some fairly significant projects in order to bring all of the applications up to version that supports Vista.  The current version of my CRM crashes all over the place if I try to run it on Vista, even in compatibility mode.</p>
<p>So in the case of my CRM, Vista is highly unstable with my current version, but I imagine would be rock solid with the latest released version.</p>
<p>I suppose I&#8217;m also saying that the perceived stability of Vista relies heavily on the stability of the applications that run on it.  Perhaps XP is &#8220;stable&#8221; today simply because the applications/drivers have matured enough to leave XP alone.</p>
<p>As Microsoft moves towards running more in the user space and isolating the OS, I believe the stability of XP will be shambles in comparison.  Vista is headed in the right direction.  In addition, I imagine the perception of my end-users may change as they see applications crashing individually instead of taking down the entire platform.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d really like to see Windows 7 become the very last full platform upgrade.  I&#8217;d like to see a modular architecture that can be upgraded and downgraded similar to the linux kernel and the way you can load different kernels and modules through Grub.  Were Microsoft to take this modular approach to their OS, my ability to roll out new modules/kernels to my user base, as well as my comfort level with rolling new things out faster (because I could back them out with a simple boot.ini edit ala GRUB), well it would just be much easier and more economic for me to feed Microsoft and keep up with their platform.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post Michael; good topic.</p>
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