Comments on: Why Windows Vista doesn’t lose users http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/ For Windows Administrators Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:01:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Michael http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/comment-page-1/#comment-23262 Michael Sat, 08 Sep 2007 05:21:51 +0000 http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/#comment-23262 You’re right WebDav is an established protocol. That’s why it is very unlikely that it can’t be used with Vista more than 6 month after its release. Check out this KB articles. Maybe one of them solves your problem. If not, the computer center of your University should be able to find a solution. http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B941298&x=18&y=16 http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B940172&x=12&y=9 You’re right WebDav is an established protocol. That’s why it is very unlikely that it can’t be used with Vista more than 6 month after its release. Check out this KB articles. Maybe one of them solves your problem. If not, the computer center of your University should be able to find a solution.
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B941298&x=18&y=16
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B940172&x=12&y=9

]]> By: Mathieu LJ http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/comment-page-1/#comment-23102 Mathieu LJ Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:31:38 +0000 http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/#comment-23102 The way I see it, WebDav is a relatively established protocol, works fine in XP and linux (I havent tryed it on any other platforms). So why whould you make a new OS support only some of the functions of this established system? I would expect a new OS to add functionalities rather than to remove them. The way I see it, WebDav is a relatively established protocol, works fine in XP and linux (I havent tryed it on any other platforms). So why whould you make a new OS support only some of the functions of this established system? I would expect a new OS to add functionalities rather than to remove them.

]]> By: Michael http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/comment-page-1/#comment-23057 Michael Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:28:55 +0000 http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/#comment-23057 ebe, it is normal that a new OS needs more recourses than its predecessor. Of course, an upgrade makes only sense if your hardware is powerful enough. In my view, you need at least 1.5 GB RAM for Vista. As to the help for Linux, I think we should just wait for Microsoft’s next earning report. Then we will know if people are really moving to Ubuntu and Open Office. I wouldn’t count on it. Mathieu, congrats to your fiancé. My girl friend would certainly complain all day if I installed Linux on her laptop. Not even Windows Life Messenger is running on SuSE. ;-) But I love SuSE. I just moved this blog to a new OpenSuSE 10.2 server. As to your WebDaV problem. I think it is not Vista that is not yet ready, it is your University that is not yet ready for Vista. ebe, it is normal that a new OS needs more recourses than its predecessor. Of course, an upgrade makes only sense if your hardware is powerful enough. In my view, you need at least 1.5 GB RAM for Vista. As to the help for Linux, I think we should just wait for Microsoft’s next earning report. Then we will know if people are really moving to Ubuntu and Open Office. I wouldn’t count on it.

Mathieu, congrats to your fiancé. My girl friend would certainly complain all day if I installed Linux on her laptop. Not even Windows Life Messenger is running on SuSE. ;-) But I love SuSE. I just moved this blog to a new OpenSuSE 10.2 server. As to your WebDaV problem. I think it is not Vista that is not yet ready, it is your University that is not yet ready for Vista.

]]> By: Mathieu LJ http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/comment-page-1/#comment-22882 Mathieu LJ Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:20:34 +0000 http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/#comment-22882 I completly agree with ebe's comment about windows->linux. I just bought a new computer with windows 64bit... Very VERY disapointed,... alot of things that worked fine in XP no longer work,... (ex. I cant connect to my university via WebDav) Same thing happend with my fiance. She has next to no computer knowledge and Vista gave her alot of trouble with the unsupported applications. Seeing as her software drivers were not available with XP pro, I intalled OpenSUSE Linux. She loves it and well,... it works. Moral of the story is, if you havent gone to Vista yet, WAIT! Vista is not completly ready yet. Hopefully ether Microsoft will pollish up their new OS with SP01 or people will start developing a more usefull OS... I completly agree with ebe’s comment about windows->linux.

I just bought a new computer with windows 64bit… Very VERY disapointed,… alot of things that worked fine in XP no longer work,… (ex. I cant connect to my university via WebDav)

Same thing happend with my fiance. She has next to no computer knowledge and Vista gave her alot of trouble with the unsupported applications. Seeing as her software drivers were not available with XP pro, I intalled OpenSUSE Linux. She loves it and well,… it works.

Moral of the story is, if you havent gone to Vista yet, WAIT! Vista is not completly ready yet.

Hopefully ether Microsoft will pollish up their new OS with SP01 or people will start developing a more usefull OS…

]]> By: ebe http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/comment-page-1/#comment-22668 ebe Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:59:34 +0000 http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/#comment-22668 "Why ? the fiability and reliability fiasco are one part" I wished to say The Fiability/reliability and Performance Fiasco,, Perofmance fiasco is about 200ko max of network file transfert between Vista and anything else not VISTA, file extraction etc.. How damn could something like that pass the Beta ?!! It's just incredible. Reliability is about waiting more and more for application to come back active.. but these time, we^'re oftenly impressed by MS (like the xbox360 hardware Fiasco, Office 2007 Plugin's fiasco, etc..) Frankly, I'm a hugh Pro-MS, from the NT4 days, but Vista is a complete fiasco, for any one with open-mind and eye. And again, I'm quite the Ms-Fanboy of my Company! My words are to wait for SP1, and let MS finish its work on Vista, BDD, WAIK, WDS etc.. all this is interesting for us IT, but it's a complete mess. And this don't touch the end-user. Today, I recommand to stay with XP, some good deployment solution, a good security solution, and everything is running like Fire, mostly on new hardware. To me Vista si helping linux actually, just saw people Upgrading from Vista to ubuntu with openoffice.. You know, people who bought vista and office 2007, and who don't want to pay again for XP and office 2003... Anyway.. Greetings, and thank you for the web site “Why ? the fiability and reliability fiasco are one part”

I wished to say
The Fiability/reliability and Performance Fiasco,,

Perofmance fiasco is about 200ko max of network file transfert between Vista and anything else not VISTA, file extraction etc.. How damn could something like that pass the Beta ?!! It’s just incredible.

Reliability is about waiting more and more for application to come back active..

but these time, we^’re oftenly impressed by MS (like the xbox360 hardware Fiasco, Office 2007 Plugin’s fiasco, etc..)

Frankly, I’m a hugh Pro-MS, from the NT4 days, but Vista is a complete fiasco, for any one with open-mind and eye. And again, I’m quite the Ms-Fanboy of my Company!

My words are to wait for SP1, and let MS finish its work on Vista, BDD, WAIK, WDS etc.. all this is interesting for us IT, but it’s a complete mess. And this don’t touch the end-user.

Today, I recommand to stay with XP, some good deployment solution, a good security solution, and everything is running like Fire, mostly on new hardware. To me Vista si helping linux actually, just saw people Upgrading from Vista to ubuntu with openoffice.. You know, people who bought vista and office 2007, and who don’t want to pay again for XP and office 2003…

Anyway.. Greetings, and thank you for the web site

]]> By: ebe http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/comment-page-1/#comment-22664 ebe Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:47:13 +0000 http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/#comment-22664 I work as IT System engineer.. I just UPGRADED to xp, from Vista. Why ? the fiability and reliability fiasco are one part, the other are all the uncompatible application (no remote desktops ??!! blah, no Lotus Outlook connector ?).. but mosty, ReadyBoost !! common, on my brand new Dualcor T7200, with 3go of RAM, as I do a LOT of Vmware labs and presentation, Vista just eat 1.2 Go of RAM !! Common, for pitty performance, Crash, and all the fiasco Vista is about (and believe me, it hurt me saying this, and I was the last one to upgrade to XP), eating 1.2 Go of RAM ! Back to XP, 260Mo Ram at boot, it's just Like I have back 1go of ram for my VM; all this with 2x the overall performance. !! I work as IT System engineer.. I just UPGRADED to xp, from Vista. Why ? the fiability and reliability fiasco are one part, the other are all the uncompatible application (no remote desktops ??!! blah, no Lotus Outlook connector ?).. but mosty, ReadyBoost !! common, on my brand new Dualcor T7200, with 3go of RAM, as I do a LOT of Vmware labs and presentation, Vista just eat 1.2 Go of RAM !! Common, for pitty performance, Crash, and all the fiasco Vista is about (and believe me, it hurt me saying this, and I was the last one to upgrade to XP), eating 1.2 Go of RAM !

Back to XP, 260Mo Ram at boot, it’s just Like I have back 1go of ram for my VM; all this with 2x the overall performance. !!

]]> By: Michael http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/comment-page-1/#comment-22263 Michael Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:32:41 +0000 http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/#comment-22263 Tom, you’re right. Microsoft cut all the wow features. I think that this is the major reason why so many are disappointed with Vista and why it gets such a bad press. But you really can’t compare it with ME. Vista is surprisingly stable and reliable. It is also the securest OS MS has ever built. They were often accused of focusing too much on features thereby neglecting security and stability. Now, they just did what all the critics were always demanding. But it seems that whatever the Redmond guys do, it is always wrong. But since their revenue is increasing every year, it can’t be so bad what they are doing. Helen, it is good to know that there is at least someone who made the same experience. ;-) Jim, this is the first time I hear that MS didn’t provide enough documentation for Vista. Did you ever check out Technet? I am currently testing Windows Server 2008 and I am overwhelmed by the documentation that is already available. I agree with you that more competition would be desirable. However, I don’t see who could compete with MS in the desktop area. Apple still focuses on style instead of business and Linux has not the slightest chance as long as it doesn’t have a uniform GUI and OSS developers don’t believe that usability comes first and technology only second. But you really can’t blame MS for this. Tom, you’re right. Microsoft cut all the wow features. I think that this is the major reason why so many are disappointed with Vista and why it gets such a bad press. But you really can’t compare it with ME. Vista is surprisingly stable and reliable. It is also the securest OS MS has ever built. They were often accused of focusing too much on features thereby neglecting security and stability. Now, they just did what all the critics were always demanding. But it seems that whatever the Redmond guys do, it is always wrong. But since their revenue is increasing every year, it can’t be so bad what they are doing.

Helen, it is good to know that there is at least someone who made the same experience. ;-)

Jim, this is the first time I hear that MS didn’t provide enough documentation for Vista. Did you ever check out Technet? I am currently testing Windows Server 2008 and I am overwhelmed by the documentation that is already available. I agree with you that more competition would be desirable. However, I don’t see who could compete with MS in the desktop area. Apple still focuses on style instead of business and Linux has not the slightest chance as long as it doesn’t have a uniform GUI and OSS developers don’t believe that usability comes first and technology only second. But you really can’t blame MS for this.

]]> By: Jim http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/comment-page-1/#comment-22262 Jim Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:25:18 +0000 http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/#comment-22262 I could easily see where the more techie people who use Vista at home might find everything ok for the most part and even be somewhat forgiving where lacking(ie drivers). In a support environment though Vista and Microsoft for that matter have been downright horrible in representing themselves effectively in being a leading OS and company for businesses. The lack of documentation was probably the worst ever. What documentation that was done typically talked about beta's which were different in various areas. The same can be said of Office 2007 as well. All I can simply say is that I'm thrilled to see OSX making some inroads even if more of it is in the consumer area and not as much in business/enterprise environments. As it is now if everyone was on even playing fields MS would be left behind in the dust. Very disappointing. I can only hope that linux can get more traction as well. I'm not out to see MS fail. I just want to see competition. Competition is what's good for everyone. I could easily see where the more techie people who use Vista at home might find everything ok for the most part and even be somewhat forgiving where lacking(ie drivers).

In a support environment though Vista and Microsoft for that matter have been downright horrible in representing themselves effectively in being a leading OS and company for businesses. The lack of documentation was probably the worst ever. What documentation that was done typically talked about beta’s which were different in various areas. The same can be said of Office 2007 as well.

All I can simply say is that I’m thrilled to see OSX making some inroads even if more of it is in the consumer area and not as much in business/enterprise environments. As it is now if everyone was on even playing fields MS would be left behind in the dust. Very disappointing.

I can only hope that linux can get more traction as well. I’m not out to see MS fail. I just want to see competition. Competition is what’s good for everyone.

]]> By: Helen http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/comment-page-1/#comment-22246 Helen Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:31:16 +0000 http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/#comment-22246 I completely agree. I've been using Vista at home for 6 months, but still use XP at work, and it's definitely the little things that I miss in XP. It took a while to grow on me (and it certainly still has problems) but I feel like a lot of the stuff I do is more efficient on Vista; it's sometimes difficult to put my finger on exactly why, though. I completely agree. I’ve been using Vista at home for 6 months, but still use XP at work, and it’s definitely the little things that I miss in XP. It took a while to grow on me (and it certainly still has problems) but I feel like a lot of the stuff I do is more efficient on Vista; it’s sometimes difficult to put my finger on exactly why, though.

]]> By: Tom Kikham http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/comment-page-1/#comment-22205 Tom Kikham Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:43:42 +0000 http://4sysops.com/archives/why-windows-vista-doesn%e2%80%99t-lose-users/#comment-22205 Michael, While Vista may have a wonderful deployment method that XP doesn't, it still doesn't work. Maybe after SP1 it will be better, but don't forget this was a bastard child. Way overdue, and lets not forget that the Vista project was begun not once, but twice, and then they still could not get it out the door without cutting features. I dunno, but it seems half-baked to me, and I have been running it for several months myself. I think it is going the way of ME, and it would not surprise me if there is only one service pack and after that, the Vista name will not be used on the next update. Michael,

While Vista may have a wonderful deployment method that XP doesn’t, it still doesn’t work. Maybe after SP1 it will be better, but don’t forget this was a bastard child. Way overdue, and lets not forget that the Vista project was begun not once, but twice, and then they still could not get it out the door without cutting features. I dunno, but it seems half-baked to me, and I have been running it for several months myself. I think it is going the way of ME, and it would not surprise me if there is only one service pack and after that, the Vista name will not be used on the next update.

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