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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steve, i know. I wasn&#039;t so serious about the reset button. I rather preferred that Vista would be more stable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve, i know. I wasn&#8217;t so serious about the reset button. I rather preferred that Vista would be more stable.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Holding power button 5-8 sec will shut off computer.

It&#039;s not good to pull power, as it can result in power surge from power supply to motherboard/hd... etc.  I&#039;ve lost lots of data due to cord being pulled by accident on a idle machine. 

That&#039;s why there&#039;s no reset.  But most people don&#039;t know about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Holding power button 5-8 sec will shut off computer.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not good to pull power, as it can result in power surge from power supply to motherboard/hd&#8230; etc.  I&#8217;ve lost lots of data due to cord being pulled by accident on a idle machine. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why there&#8217;s no reset.  But most people don&#8217;t know about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michal, thanks for the tip, but I already bought a new Canon scanner ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michal, thanks for the tip, but I already bought a new Canon scanner <img src='http://4sysops.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Greg Muir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Muir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t run any of the betas but Slashdot has an article talking about how 4gb may be Vista&#039;s sweet spot. 

http://slashdot.org/articles/07/02/20/2213231.shtml

Some people counter that you can get by with 1gb or 2 just fine but I think it comes down to who you are and what you&#039;re doing. If you&#039;re like me, you&#039;ve got 50 windows open at once, you need everything the computer can give you. If the OS takes up half of that, there&#039;s not much left to give.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t run any of the betas but Slashdot has an article talking about how 4gb may be Vista&#8217;s sweet spot. </p>
<p><a href="http://slashdot.org/articles/07/02/20/2213231.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://slashdot.org/articles/07/02/20/2213231.shtml</a></p>
<p>Some people counter that you can get by with 1gb or 2 just fine but I think it comes down to who you are and what you&#8217;re doing. If you&#8217;re like me, you&#8217;ve got 50 windows open at once, you need everything the computer can give you. If the OS takes up half of that, there&#8217;s not much left to give.</p>
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		<title>By: Michal Stráník</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michal Stráník</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, HP solved my problem - it is not solution I wish, but it is working - now HP DJ 5150 is working in Windows Vista.

HP Printers -  Installing an Alternate Driver in Windows Vista

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00808478&amp;lc=en&amp;cc=us&amp;lang=en&amp;dlc=en&amp;product=304431</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, HP solved my problem &#8211; it is not solution I wish, but it is working &#8211; now HP DJ 5150 is working in Windows Vista.</p>
<p>HP Printers &#8211;  Installing an Alternate Driver in Windows Vista</p>
<p><a href="http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00808478&amp;lc=en&amp;cc=us&amp;lang=en&amp;dlc=en&amp;product=304431" rel="nofollow">http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00808478&amp;lc=en&amp;cc=us&amp;lang=en&amp;dlc=en&amp;product=304431</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure there are a few people who just install Vista and everything works perfect for them and they happlily go on with their lives, but I&#039;m not one of them. My experience through several of the beta versions convinced me that this upgrade was not going to be a pleasent experience and I didn&#039;t have either the time or the inclination to fight my way through the problems everyone was going to experience. So No, I haven&#039;t made the jump to Vista and don&#039;t plan to until, like you said, at least SP1 is released, and most of the bleeding is over for this release.
Maybe it&#039;s just me but I haven&#039;t seen the upside of Vista anyway, there is nothing new I can&#039;t live without and the whole Activation process seems to have gone over the edge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure there are a few people who just install Vista and everything works perfect for them and they happlily go on with their lives, but I&#8217;m not one of them. My experience through several of the beta versions convinced me that this upgrade was not going to be a pleasent experience and I didn&#8217;t have either the time or the inclination to fight my way through the problems everyone was going to experience. So No, I haven&#8217;t made the jump to Vista and don&#8217;t plan to until, like you said, at least SP1 is released, and most of the bleeding is over for this release.<br />
Maybe it&#8217;s just me but I haven&#8217;t seen the upside of Vista anyway, there is nothing new I can&#8217;t live without and the whole Activation process seems to have gone over the edge.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Muir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Muir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be ticked if we can&#039;t buy corporate PC&#039;s with XP licensese for the indefinite future. Vista seems like too much of a headache for no gain. How could something so indistinguishable from XP have so many compatability problems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be ticked if we can&#8217;t buy corporate PC&#8217;s with XP licensese for the indefinite future. Vista seems like too much of a headache for no gain. How could something so indistinguishable from XP have so many compatability problems?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 21:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, I am not scared about what is below the surface because I can already see it: Bugs, bugs, and bugs. So I just don’t jump ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I am not scared about what is below the surface because I can already see it: Bugs, bugs, and bugs. So I just don’t jump <img src='http://4sysops.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m one of those who strongly believes that Vista is not ready.  I went to training for it in December and every day we witnessed the bugs and stability.  This was with the RTM version.  My own experience at work with it(yes, I&#039;m in an academic institution as well) is that it&#039;s not as stable as it should be and that if I migrate my dept over to it, is it worth it?  

OS and software deployment still needs to be worked out here.  If we support XP and Vista, now we have to worry about server drive space as the many msi&#039;s we&#039;ve created for software are not expected to work under Vista.  We have some inhouse software that the dept wrote as a teaching accessory is not expected to work as well.  The list goes on and on.

I&#039;m feeling a little like the guy who&#039;s about to jump into the lake yet is a bit scared of what might be just below the surface.

Old age must be getting to me because I&#039;ve never been this reluctant to move on to the next version of Windows.

Just curious...has anyone messed around with the Desktop Optimization Pack yet?  I just discovered we are licensed for it so I&#039;m hoping to check it out next week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of those who strongly believes that Vista is not ready.  I went to training for it in December and every day we witnessed the bugs and stability.  This was with the RTM version.  My own experience at work with it(yes, I&#8217;m in an academic institution as well) is that it&#8217;s not as stable as it should be and that if I migrate my dept over to it, is it worth it?  </p>
<p>OS and software deployment still needs to be worked out here.  If we support XP and Vista, now we have to worry about server drive space as the many msi&#8217;s we&#8217;ve created for software are not expected to work under Vista.  We have some inhouse software that the dept wrote as a teaching accessory is not expected to work as well.  The list goes on and on.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m feeling a little like the guy who&#8217;s about to jump into the lake yet is a bit scared of what might be just below the surface.</p>
<p>Old age must be getting to me because I&#8217;ve never been this reluctant to move on to the next version of Windows.</p>
<p>Just curious&#8230;has anyone messed around with the Desktop Optimization Pack yet?  I just discovered we are licensed for it so I&#8217;m hoping to check it out next week.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback. It is good to know that I am not the only one having all these problems with Vista.

Michal, it seems that HP really doesn’t like Vista. If you search for drivers on their Web site, you’ll often get this: 
We are sorry to inform you that there will be no Windows Vista support available for your HP product. Therefore, your product will not work with Windows Vista.
If you are using the Windows Vista operating system on your computer, please consider upgrading to a newer HP product that is supported on Windows Vista.

Leonardo, the only must-have-feature of Vista, is its new imaging technology, in my view. The rest is nice, but I can’t see at the moment, how it can significantly improve productivity. The improved security might be a killer feature, too. But Vista has to prove first in practice that it is really better than XP SP2 with respect to this.

Colin, it seems you’re a lucky guy ;-)

Matt, maybe we’re soul mates. ;-) Or maybe we&#039;re both just trying to keep up with new developments. By the way, I am also still having problems with VMware Workstation on Vista. I even think that it might be responsible for at least one of the crashes. You could try VMware Workstation 6 Beta. But it is also very slow, because it is only available with enabled-debug mode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback. It is good to know that I am not the only one having all these problems with Vista.</p>
<p>Michal, it seems that HP really doesn’t like Vista. If you search for drivers on their Web site, you’ll often get this:<br />
We are sorry to inform you that there will be no Windows Vista support available for your HP product. Therefore, your product will not work with Windows Vista.<br />
If you are using the Windows Vista operating system on your computer, please consider upgrading to a newer HP product that is supported on Windows Vista.</p>
<p>Leonardo, the only must-have-feature of Vista, is its new imaging technology, in my view. The rest is nice, but I can’t see at the moment, how it can significantly improve productivity. The improved security might be a killer feature, too. But Vista has to prove first in practice that it is really better than XP SP2 with respect to this.</p>
<p>Colin, it seems you’re a lucky guy <img src='http://4sysops.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Matt, maybe we’re soul mates. <img src='http://4sysops.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Or maybe we&#8217;re both just trying to keep up with new developments. By the way, I am also still having problems with VMware Workstation on Vista. I even think that it might be responsible for at least one of the crashes. You could try VMware Workstation 6 Beta. But it is also very slow, because it is only available with enabled-debug mode.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 01:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, it is really strange how &quot;in sync&quot; you &amp; I are.  I also work in an educational institution, so I relate very well to many of your articles.  So many times, I&#039;ll be interested in something (Backup Exec 11d, VMware, Vista, etc) &amp; right around that time, you&#039;ll be posting about your experiences with it!  It also just so happens that today was my vist attempt at being WOW&#039;d by Vista...

I&#039;ve been dabbling in Vista for some time now, but never could go full-on due to incompatibility with my school&#039;s VPN &amp; lack of reliable PocketPC support.  Today, I began trying out a &quot;solution&quot; by converting my old PC to a VMware machine &amp; attempting to move to Vista.

Problems, problems, problems.  On top of that, I can&#039;t run VMware 5.5.3 on Vista fast enough to stay sane--even after trying your recent tweaks, updating BIOS &amp; drivers, &amp; installing the VMware Tools &amp; installing an extra couple gigs of RAM (however, Vista only sees 3GB).

I was in IE7 on MSN.com &amp; noticed some of their videos that interested me.  The player would get 3/4 through the video &amp; suddenly start all over.  Several times, the video player just stopped responding.  I&#039;m assuming this is WMP11 acting up?

All this on a dual core Xeon, 4GB RAM (3GB accessible), nVidia Quadro 3450 w/ 256MB, etc!  This is a Vista-ready PC w/ Dell-provided Vista drivers.  My VMware box had 1.5GB dedicated to it, too.

Argh.  I&#039;m a computer guy &amp; so EVERYONE&#039;S asking me &quot;What do you think about this new Windows?&quot;.  I hate not being able to answer conclusively because I can&#039;t even use the darn thing!

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, it is really strange how &#8220;in sync&#8221; you &amp; I are.  I also work in an educational institution, so I relate very well to many of your articles.  So many times, I&#8217;ll be interested in something (Backup Exec 11d, VMware, Vista, etc) &amp; right around that time, you&#8217;ll be posting about your experiences with it!  It also just so happens that today was my vist attempt at being WOW&#8217;d by Vista&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been dabbling in Vista for some time now, but never could go full-on due to incompatibility with my school&#8217;s VPN &amp; lack of reliable PocketPC support.  Today, I began trying out a &#8220;solution&#8221; by converting my old PC to a VMware machine &amp; attempting to move to Vista.</p>
<p>Problems, problems, problems.  On top of that, I can&#8217;t run VMware 5.5.3 on Vista fast enough to stay sane&#8211;even after trying your recent tweaks, updating BIOS &amp; drivers, &amp; installing the VMware Tools &amp; installing an extra couple gigs of RAM (however, Vista only sees 3GB).</p>
<p>I was in IE7 on MSN.com &amp; noticed some of their videos that interested me.  The player would get 3/4 through the video &amp; suddenly start all over.  Several times, the video player just stopped responding.  I&#8217;m assuming this is WMP11 acting up?</p>
<p>All this on a dual core Xeon, 4GB RAM (3GB accessible), nVidia Quadro 3450 w/ 256MB, etc!  This is a Vista-ready PC w/ Dell-provided Vista drivers.  My VMware box had 1.5GB dedicated to it, too.</p>
<p>Argh.  I&#8217;m a computer guy &amp; so EVERYONE&#8217;S asking me &#8220;What do you think about this new Windows?&#8221;.  I hate not being able to answer conclusively because I can&#8217;t even use the darn thing!</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 23:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have Vista, switched with an oldish PC a few weeks ago and everything has been just peachy:) No crashes yet, and its been a good two weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have Vista, switched with an oldish PC a few weeks ago and everything has been just peachy:) No crashes yet, and its been a good two weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I installed Vista on my main machine at B1 and would reformat every major(ie:leaked) build in-between the betas.
I did run into plenty of compatibility issues during that period and a couple crashes in the earlier betas.
My desktop is for personal use only, so I don&#039;t have any job-related tools on it.

Customers?
Out of the bunch, (Small businesses) only 1 office I know would be able to upgrade with just a minor hardware investment, memory. The rest would have to replace multiple machines.

I can&#039;t justify the cost, at this moment, for small businesses. As far as the nonprofit with lots of computers? They just got done getting up to XP and also would need new machines... For what? Aero?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I installed Vista on my main machine at B1 and would reformat every major(ie:leaked) build in-between the betas.<br />
I did run into plenty of compatibility issues during that period and a couple crashes in the earlier betas.<br />
My desktop is for personal use only, so I don&#8217;t have any job-related tools on it.</p>
<p>Customers?<br />
Out of the bunch, (Small businesses) only 1 office I know would be able to upgrade with just a minor hardware investment, memory. The rest would have to replace multiple machines.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t justify the cost, at this moment, for small businesses. As far as the nonprofit with lots of computers? They just got done getting up to XP and also would need new machines&#8230; For what? Aero?</p>
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		<title>By: Michal Stráník</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michal Stráník</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I agree with you, I will try to use it for me (I am admin) and I will test it, but I have many applications not ready for Windows Vista - IPOS, Winkarok, DWG TRUEVIEW 2007 and I also miss driver for HP DJ 5150. Sometimes Vista seems to be cool, but sometimes it lives own live. What you are saying looks like bad driver, I have similar exprerience. I do not remeber what bad driver I install, but after Vista frozen and frozen - I could use never on Vista suspend mode - Vista do not want start/wake up after that - I tested it on HP nx7300/nx7400.

Regards Stranik</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I agree with you, I will try to use it for me (I am admin) and I will test it, but I have many applications not ready for Windows Vista &#8211; IPOS, Winkarok, DWG TRUEVIEW 2007 and I also miss driver for HP DJ 5150. Sometimes Vista seems to be cool, but sometimes it lives own live. What you are saying looks like bad driver, I have similar exprerience. I do not remeber what bad driver I install, but after Vista frozen and frozen &#8211; I could use never on Vista suspend mode &#8211; Vista do not want start/wake up after that &#8211; I tested it on HP nx7300/nx7400.</p>
<p>Regards Stranik</p>
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