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		<title>By: Rohan</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/the-windows-xp-sp3-confusion-is-windows-bloated-or-its-market/comment-page-1/#comment-111833</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not Bloated! Try using vista in a somewhat low end computer and see if you can&#039;t say w* t* f*. They did not try to improve the OS. They only add useless special &quot;effects&quot; and such which nobody really need and sometimes want! That what bloated is. You may not have experienced this because you have a wallet that could buy the big horsepower computer. But hey! look at other perspectives. Not every one could abandon their old computer. And not every one need to have such large computers.

Throw away the one size fits all idea. There is no such thing. That is what they are already doing and it fails... terribly. They think just because they give out a new OS everyone would be able o use it(one size fits all). They are wrong. Every one has different needs. Some want it fancy with a lot of effects, some want it plain and clean. Some people have the latest pc some just have their few year olds. Now what size would fit?

If only they could make it modular and customizable, a lot of problems would be solved. The users could change the OS according to their needs and wants. That would be great if it happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not Bloated! Try using vista in a somewhat low end computer and see if you can&#8217;t say w* t* f*. They did not try to improve the OS. They only add useless special &#8220;effects&#8221; and such which nobody really need and sometimes want! That what bloated is. You may not have experienced this because you have a wallet that could buy the big horsepower computer. But hey! look at other perspectives. Not every one could abandon their old computer. And not every one need to have such large computers.</p>
<p>Throw away the one size fits all idea. There is no such thing. That is what they are already doing and it fails&#8230; terribly. They think just because they give out a new OS everyone would be able o use it(one size fits all). They are wrong. Every one has different needs. Some want it fancy with a lot of effects, some want it plain and clean. Some people have the latest pc some just have their few year olds. Now what size would fit?</p>
<p>If only they could make it modular and customizable, a lot of problems would be solved. The users could change the OS according to their needs and wants. That would be great if it happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 20:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher, I like your analogy with the abandoned kid. Vista is indeed not a mature operating system like XP, but I do believe that is has its advantages. I will address the company value issue in a series of articles coming soon. And I hope your eyes are well again. ;-)

Anonymous Coward, I agree that all these different Vista editions are not really helpful. I hope that Microsoft will change this with Windows 7. My guess is that there will be only one basic edition with the ability to add certain components.

Jarred, what’s wrong with that picture? Don’t you think it is a work of art? ;-)

Gordon, thanks. What I find so fascinating is that so many bash Vista without even giving it a chance. I know of two admins who used it for two or three days, encountered some problems and then upgraded as they say to XP. Obviously, they were already well prepared by the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher, I like your analogy with the abandoned kid. Vista is indeed not a mature operating system like XP, but I do believe that is has its advantages. I will address the company value issue in a series of articles coming soon. And I hope your eyes are well again. <img src='http://4sysops.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anonymous Coward, I agree that all these different Vista editions are not really helpful. I hope that Microsoft will change this with Windows 7. My guess is that there will be only one basic edition with the ability to add certain components.</p>
<p>Jarred, what’s wrong with that picture? Don’t you think it is a work of art? <img src='http://4sysops.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Gordon, thanks. What I find so fascinating is that so many bash Vista without even giving it a chance. I know of two admins who used it for two or three days, encountered some problems and then upgraded as they say to XP. Obviously, they were already well prepared by the media.</p>
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		<title>By: gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, insightful post, thank you. Some people just don&#039;t seem capable to understand reality as it is. Others just prefer to not even try. That&#039;s why is easier to bash Vista... and all its predecessors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, insightful post, thank you. Some people just don&#8217;t seem capable to understand reality as it is. Others just prefer to not even try. That&#8217;s why is easier to bash Vista&#8230; and all its predecessors.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred Fehr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarred Fehr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please... no more pictures like that. ;-)

You are spot on with the rest though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please&#8230; no more pictures like that. <img src='http://4sysops.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You are spot on with the rest though.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward Paid By The Word</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward Paid By The Word</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 09:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are more commentators now than ever and its only natural that more of them jump on the bandwagon and bash Vista because they get paid by the word or because it&#039;s a popular standpoint and probably will get them more traffic.

About the bloated windows market? Stop releasing Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Enterprise, Media Center etc. It would be better to have something like a Mac OS X model. One size fits all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are more commentators now than ever and its only natural that more of them jump on the bandwagon and bash Vista because they get paid by the word or because it&#8217;s a popular standpoint and probably will get them more traffic.</p>
<p>About the bloated windows market? Stop releasing Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Enterprise, Media Center etc. It would be better to have something like a Mac OS X model. One size fits all.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 22:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Great article, good reminders, good things to think about) + (very, disturbing, image) = I just want to run away and wash my eyes out.

I don&#039;t think bloatware is the appropriate label for Vista.  I see Vista more as a superficial and poorly executed attempt at hanging with the cool kids.  This happens to all adolescents who are still trying to find their identity.  Vista is more like a cheesy Saturday TV special about the kid that abandoned all of their friends and family to try to be someone else.  Hopefully the story will end with the kid realising the value of their foundation, and returning to it.

What I see in Vista is a lack of clear company values and goals; lack of knowledge of industry and customer needs; lack of forethought in to the current hardware base; lack of effective project management; lack of effective executive management and ownership; lack of vision, creativity, and innovation; greed at many levels; and the typical crud that results when executive management says &quot;JUST SHIP IT&quot;.

But no, certainly not bloatware.  Vista is not bloated.  Microsoft has simply fallen off course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Great article, good reminders, good things to think about) + (very, disturbing, image) = I just want to run away and wash my eyes out.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think bloatware is the appropriate label for Vista.  I see Vista more as a superficial and poorly executed attempt at hanging with the cool kids.  This happens to all adolescents who are still trying to find their identity.  Vista is more like a cheesy Saturday TV special about the kid that abandoned all of their friends and family to try to be someone else.  Hopefully the story will end with the kid realising the value of their foundation, and returning to it.</p>
<p>What I see in Vista is a lack of clear company values and goals; lack of knowledge of industry and customer needs; lack of forethought in to the current hardware base; lack of effective project management; lack of effective executive management and ownership; lack of vision, creativity, and innovation; greed at many levels; and the typical crud that results when executive management says &#8220;JUST SHIP IT&#8221;.</p>
<p>But no, certainly not bloatware.  Vista is not bloated.  Microsoft has simply fallen off course.</p>
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