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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/review-vmware-server-2-what-a-disappointment/comment-page-3/#comment-138967</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully agree, i tested WMWare Server 2 (final) but it was extremely disappointing.
Simply put, the web based GUI is a bad, bad, very bad idea!

Yes, now they don&#039;t have to write two separate GUIs for Win and Lin, but it is not a big deal: they could have used Java, or a cross platform graphic library like Qt... anyway they have to write a lot of platform specific code since paths, security model, and environment values (and registry) works in a completely different way on the two platform!

And, the complexity of testing the UI explodes: now they have to test it on Win and Lin, AND for each test it with the available browser: FF, Opera, Epiphany, Konqueror, Safari, IE (and don&#039;t 4get XP integralists have ditched IE7 and following ones, so you would still need to run well on IE6 that has still a sizeable market share!).

Ok, and some tasks requires the process met some specific security settings... so multiply the previous number for any combination of system&#039;s security setting for the current user for any possible security setting of the web browser... nice!

Result? A lot of issue running the most basic tasks I used to do in 1.x version, no context menu, a lot of problems complicated by the fact sometimes they are not reported at all.
I&#039;ll stick with 1.x version as long as it is reasonable, then I&#039;ll migrate to something else unless they provide again a viable GUI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully agree, i tested WMWare Server 2 (final) but it was extremely disappointing.<br />
Simply put, the web based GUI is a bad, bad, very bad idea!</p>
<p>Yes, now they don&#8217;t have to write two separate GUIs for Win and Lin, but it is not a big deal: they could have used Java, or a cross platform graphic library like Qt&#8230; anyway they have to write a lot of platform specific code since paths, security model, and environment values (and registry) works in a completely different way on the two platform!</p>
<p>And, the complexity of testing the UI explodes: now they have to test it on Win and Lin, AND for each test it with the available browser: FF, Opera, Epiphany, Konqueror, Safari, IE (and don&#8217;t 4get XP integralists have ditched IE7 and following ones, so you would still need to run well on IE6 that has still a sizeable market share!).</p>
<p>Ok, and some tasks requires the process met some specific security settings&#8230; so multiply the previous number for any combination of system&#8217;s security setting for the current user for any possible security setting of the web browser&#8230; nice!</p>
<p>Result? A lot of issue running the most basic tasks I used to do in 1.x version, no context menu, a lot of problems complicated by the fact sometimes they are not reported at all.<br />
I&#8217;ll stick with 1.x version as long as it is reasonable, then I&#8217;ll migrate to something else unless they provide again a viable GUI.</p>
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		<title>By: David Duckworth</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/review-vmware-server-2-what-a-disappointment/comment-page-3/#comment-133894</link>
		<dc:creator>David Duckworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

To your post (late response, I know!), I installed VMware 2.0 on Windows Server 2003 R2 x64 fully updated. Super clean OS with no &quot;junk&quot;, not even AV software. There was not much to do wrong, I&#039;ve been working in IT for over 8 years but certainly I&#039;m not infallible... I basically didn&#039;t have time to figure out why the web server was randomly crashing/hanging and requiring a reboot. Maybe IE was sending malformed requests :) VMWare rocks... not trying to rag on their product. Can&#039;t beat free. Older versions are still readily available so it&#039;s all good. I&#039;m going to test 2.0 in a lab environment soon and give it another go.

PS I do know about ESXi. Another great free product. We kind of skip it though. In my environment, we use VMWare Server on Windoze for various reasons. And work with ESX 3.x installations running HA and VC. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>To your post (late response, I know!), I installed VMware 2.0 on Windows Server 2003 R2 x64 fully updated. Super clean OS with no &#8220;junk&#8221;, not even AV software. There was not much to do wrong, I&#8217;ve been working in IT for over 8 years but certainly I&#8217;m not infallible&#8230; I basically didn&#8217;t have time to figure out why the web server was randomly crashing/hanging and requiring a reboot. Maybe IE was sending malformed requests <img src='http://4sysops.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  VMWare rocks&#8230; not trying to rag on their product. Can&#8217;t beat free. Older versions are still readily available so it&#8217;s all good. I&#8217;m going to test 2.0 in a lab environment soon and give it another go.</p>
<p>PS I do know about ESXi. Another great free product. We kind of skip it though. In my environment, we use VMWare Server on Windoze for various reasons. And work with ESX 3.x installations running HA and VC.<br />
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/review-vmware-server-2-what-a-disappointment/comment-page-3/#comment-130792</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with the author here.  Just tried VMWare Server and they certainly have ruined a fine product by forcing it down the web browser path.  We use ESX for production environments but for the quick run a vm on this host pc task, we are going to be looking at using the 1.x production or moving to Hyper-V.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with the author here.  Just tried VMWare Server and they certainly have ruined a fine product by forcing it down the web browser path.  We use ESX for production environments but for the quick run a vm on this host pc task, we are going to be looking at using the 1.x production or moving to Hyper-V.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/review-vmware-server-2-what-a-disappointment/comment-page-3/#comment-128313</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like someone didn&#039;t bother to read the previous posts! The VMware infrastructure client can be used to connect to VMware server to provide application based management.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like someone didn&#8217;t bother to read the previous posts! The VMware infrastructure client can be used to connect to VMware server to provide application based management.</p>
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		<title>By: Vlad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Web interface totally sucks. It is slow and unreliable. When I actually started my virtual machine, it was lagging like a b*thc and took about 30 minutes just to log me on. It&#039;s sh*t don&#039;t recommend using it ever.
Good job at failing, VMWare!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Web interface totally sucks. It is slow and unreliable. When I actually started my virtual machine, it was lagging like a b*thc and took about 30 minutes just to log me on. It&#8217;s sh*t don&#8217;t recommend using it ever.<br />
Good job at failing, VMWare!</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/review-vmware-server-2-what-a-disappointment/comment-page-2/#comment-127438</link>
		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 00:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok - it&#039;s may 2009 - just installed VMware Server 2 on linux - what a disappointment.  The web interface is awful.

Is there any way to get back to the old Gnome interface that I used on 1.0.5??  That was a great tool...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok &#8211; it&#8217;s may 2009 &#8211; just installed VMware Server 2 on linux &#8211; what a disappointment.  The web interface is awful.</p>
<p>Is there any way to get back to the old Gnome interface that I used on 1.0.5??  That was a great tool&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/review-vmware-server-2-what-a-disappointment/comment-page-2/#comment-126258</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 05:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, chill.   Sheesh, he was just asking about USB support..

VMware Server 2.0 isn&#039;t beta anymore, so take that.

Anyways, I&#039;m currently using VMware Server 2.0 on a linux box, and one of the virtual machines has a USB &gt; Serial dongle attached via USB support.  It works fine.

I&#039;ve had pretty much any USB device work with VMware but sometimes it can be tricky connecting them.  If the host OS doesn&#039;t have a driver for it, you can&#039;t pick it from the list to connect it.  It&#039;s a little bit of a pain in the ass.  You can open the console, and have the &quot;Automatically connect USB devices to Virtual Machine&quot; and you won&#039;t need the driver on the host, but you need the VM console to be open and active in order to attach it.

I&#039;ve found that a generally better solution for connecting USB devices to a virtual machine with less problems is to use a network USB hub like the Belkin network USB hub.  It&#039;s about $100 and it&#039;s pretty cool.  You connect USB devices to it, and plug it into the network.  There&#039;s a client app that runs on the machine (or virtual machine) for connecting those devices over the network.

It&#039;s surprisingly quick.  It&#039;s only 100Mbit Ethernet, but that&#039;s enough for most things.  I tried lots of stuff like my Windows Mobile PDA (ActiveSync works no problem,) mice, drives, USB keys, and a webcam.  They all worked great.   Not as fast as direct connect, but good.   The mouse movement was indistinguishable from local connect - over the network!

The downside is that you have to login and run the Belkin client app to connect devices.    The upside is that they support Windows x64 and it works in Windows 7.  They also support MacOS.  Another upside is that multiple machines can connect to the device - only one can connect to any individual device but you can have different machines plug in to different devices on the same Hub.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, chill.   Sheesh, he was just asking about USB support..</p>
<p>VMware Server 2.0 isn&#8217;t beta anymore, so take that.</p>
<p>Anyways, I&#8217;m currently using VMware Server 2.0 on a linux box, and one of the virtual machines has a USB &gt; Serial dongle attached via USB support.  It works fine.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had pretty much any USB device work with VMware but sometimes it can be tricky connecting them.  If the host OS doesn&#8217;t have a driver for it, you can&#8217;t pick it from the list to connect it.  It&#8217;s a little bit of a pain in the ass.  You can open the console, and have the &#8220;Automatically connect USB devices to Virtual Machine&#8221; and you won&#8217;t need the driver on the host, but you need the VM console to be open and active in order to attach it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that a generally better solution for connecting USB devices to a virtual machine with less problems is to use a network USB hub like the Belkin network USB hub.  It&#8217;s about $100 and it&#8217;s pretty cool.  You connect USB devices to it, and plug it into the network.  There&#8217;s a client app that runs on the machine (or virtual machine) for connecting those devices over the network.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s surprisingly quick.  It&#8217;s only 100Mbit Ethernet, but that&#8217;s enough for most things.  I tried lots of stuff like my Windows Mobile PDA (ActiveSync works no problem,) mice, drives, USB keys, and a webcam.  They all worked great.   Not as fast as direct connect, but good.   The mouse movement was indistinguishable from local connect &#8211; over the network!</p>
<p>The downside is that you have to login and run the Belkin client app to connect devices.    The upside is that they support Windows x64 and it works in Windows 7.  They also support MacOS.  Another upside is that multiple machines can connect to the device &#8211; only one can connect to any individual device but you can have different machines plug in to different devices on the same Hub.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 05:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all WTF do ppl not understand about the word BETA? When you download a beta its understood that there WILL be bug and ISSUES that will not have been worked out. This is why you NEVER install BETA products in a production environment. That said VMware Server is 100% free of cost- QUIT YOUR BITCHING!!!!! When you get something for free, especially as good as VMware Server, you don&#039;t bitch about it. Pay for it and then you will have a right to bitch that will subsequently be justified by an outrageous support bill...

To address the previous post. VMware server is a server class virtualization product. The fact that you are trying to use a TV tunner suggests to me that you are NOT running a server virtual machine (correct me if I am wrong here and I will be glad to provide more insight), in which case a server grade solution is NOT what you are looking for. VMware workstation has much better support for desktop virtulization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all WTF do ppl not understand about the word BETA? When you download a beta its understood that there WILL be bug and ISSUES that will not have been worked out. This is why you NEVER install BETA products in a production environment. That said VMware Server is 100% free of cost- QUIT YOUR BITCHING!!!!! When you get something for free, especially as good as VMware Server, you don&#8217;t bitch about it. Pay for it and then you will have a right to bitch that will subsequently be justified by an outrageous support bill&#8230;</p>
<p>To address the previous post. VMware server is a server class virtualization product. The fact that you are trying to use a TV tunner suggests to me that you are NOT running a server virtual machine (correct me if I am wrong here and I will be glad to provide more insight), in which case a server grade solution is NOT what you are looking for. VMware workstation has much better support for desktop virtulization.</p>
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		<title>By: kjpires</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/review-vmware-server-2-what-a-disappointment/comment-page-2/#comment-126251</link>
		<dc:creator>kjpires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use VMware Infrastructure Client with VMware Server 2 without a problem.  For those of you who don&#039;t like the web-based interface, this works well.

What I&#039;m having problems with is USB support to my USB Analog TV Tuner devices...  Anybody use the USB support for other than disks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use VMware Infrastructure Client with VMware Server 2 without a problem.  For those of you who don&#8217;t like the web-based interface, this works well.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m having problems with is USB support to my USB Analog TV Tuner devices&#8230;  Anybody use the USB support for other than disks?</p>
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		<title>By: admica</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/review-vmware-server-2-what-a-disappointment/comment-page-2/#comment-126215</link>
		<dc:creator>admica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bad review of VMware on a Windows biased website... huge surprise there! not.  Get over it, it&#039;s a beta product for free.  I&#039;ll never use another Microsoft product again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bad review of VMware on a Windows biased website&#8230; huge surprise there! not.  Get over it, it&#8217;s a beta product for free.  I&#8217;ll never use another Microsoft product again.</p>
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		<title>By: wese</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/review-vmware-server-2-what-a-disappointment/comment-page-2/#comment-126178</link>
		<dc:creator>wese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drupal Ontwikkeling,

I fully support your post, the Beta was a big disappointment. Now the release version really gets the job done just great.

As for the problem with dns, thats an issue you will have with all most all services doing reverse lookups, which the console does. (ssh will behave the same)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drupal Ontwikkeling,</p>
<p>I fully support your post, the Beta was a big disappointment. Now the release version really gets the job done just great.</p>
<p>As for the problem with dns, thats an issue you will have with all most all services doing reverse lookups, which the console does. (ssh will behave the same)</p>
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		<title>By: Drupal Ontwikkeling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drupal Ontwikkeling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did investigate low budget possibilities of vertualizing our small server park.

Vmware Server 2 did apeal me a lot from the beginning.
The biggest mistake was releasing a very buggy version as beta, but they did make up for that after the 2.0 release big time.

Handling administration of such vital processes through a web interface is something I&#039;m not a fan of. Despite my opinion it is working flawlessly on FF3 and IE7. The option to run it over an non encrypted connection shouldn&#039;t be there if you ask me.

You could still access your VM consoles with the &quot;old&quot; VM VIclient. The installer is included in the Win package of VMS2, located typically after installation in &quot;C:\Program Files\VMware\VMware Server\hostd\docroot\client&quot;.

None of the problems described above applies AFAIK on the current release. You can e.g.:
-Make snapshots of running VM&#039;s and back them up, this can be automated/scripted
-Set the autostart option vor VM&#039;s
-Set the order and wait time for autostarting VM&#039;s
-Import VM&#039;s created by (older) VM desktop and/or server software

I can understand the rant here for the first beta release, but the current version is a hyperV killer.

The performance footprint of VMware Server 2.0 is smaller than I imagined it to be.

I had only one problem, you can&#039;t access a VM console through the web interface when the VM host has no connection with a DNS server. (when testing in local network or localhost without internet e.g.) This can be bypassed by adding static DNS entries or using the ViClient.

For the money Vmware Server rocks. Big time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did investigate low budget possibilities of vertualizing our small server park.</p>
<p>Vmware Server 2 did apeal me a lot from the beginning.<br />
The biggest mistake was releasing a very buggy version as beta, but they did make up for that after the 2.0 release big time.</p>
<p>Handling administration of such vital processes through a web interface is something I&#8217;m not a fan of. Despite my opinion it is working flawlessly on FF3 and IE7. The option to run it over an non encrypted connection shouldn&#8217;t be there if you ask me.</p>
<p>You could still access your VM consoles with the &#8220;old&#8221; VM VIclient. The installer is included in the Win package of VMS2, located typically after installation in &#8220;C:\Program Files\VMware\VMware Server\hostd\docroot\client&#8221;.</p>
<p>None of the problems described above applies AFAIK on the current release. You can e.g.:<br />
-Make snapshots of running VM&#8217;s and back them up, this can be automated/scripted<br />
-Set the autostart option vor VM&#8217;s<br />
-Set the order and wait time for autostarting VM&#8217;s<br />
-Import VM&#8217;s created by (older) VM desktop and/or server software</p>
<p>I can understand the rant here for the first beta release, but the current version is a hyperV killer.</p>
<p>The performance footprint of VMware Server 2.0 is smaller than I imagined it to be.</p>
<p>I had only one problem, you can&#8217;t access a VM console through the web interface when the VM host has no connection with a DNS server. (when testing in local network or localhost without internet e.g.) This can be bypassed by adding static DNS entries or using the ViClient.</p>
<p>For the money Vmware Server rocks. Big time.</p>
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		<title>By: venomhed</title>
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		<dc:creator>venomhed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Be aware that VMware Server 2’s web interface is an improvement to VMware Server 1, in that 1 didn’t have a web interface.&quot;

Ummm, I still use VMWare Server 1.x (1.0.8) and I have a web interface. You need to have IIS installed BEFORE you install VMWare Server 1.x It warns you of this during install, so might want to read first before clicking Next at light speed. With the 1.x interface you can tell which VM to start first, second, etc and how many minutes apart. Great for a domain with Exchange etc.

I am just getting into Server 2.0, so far so good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Be aware that VMware Server 2’s web interface is an improvement to VMware Server 1, in that 1 didn’t have a web interface.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ummm, I still use VMWare Server 1.x (1.0.8) and I have a web interface. You need to have IIS installed BEFORE you install VMWare Server 1.x It warns you of this during install, so might want to read first before clicking Next at light speed. With the 1.x interface you can tell which VM to start first, second, etc and how many minutes apart. Great for a domain with Exchange etc.</p>
<p>I am just getting into Server 2.0, so far so good.</p>
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		<title>By: Contrary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Contrary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion the web console is awful,
we use vmware for support and testing and regularly have multiple vm&#039;s running.

In the old version it was very user friendly - either switching between machines via the inventory or via tabs.
Now each machine has to open in a new window it&#039;s bloody awful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion the web console is awful,<br />
we use vmware for support and testing and regularly have multiple vm&#8217;s running.</p>
<p>In the old version it was very user friendly &#8211; either switching between machines via the inventory or via tabs.<br />
Now each machine has to open in a new window it&#8217;s bloody awful.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Imerman</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/review-vmware-server-2-what-a-disappointment/comment-page-2/#comment-122952</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Imerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, brother!  I too have been a paying customer, fan, etc. for 6 years now, and this new web interface will totally kill an otherwise great product.  I thought Oracle had shown the way with their new web management GUI in 10g that was a total disaster.  I immediately uninstalled 2.0, and I&#039;m going back to 1.0.8.  I did, however, get it to work in Firefox, it was just sooo slow, clunky, and unmanageable.  Plus, you went from a 140MB install to a 500MB install file, much heavier on the host machine, performance was a total dog.  I&#039;d say - leave it in the dust.  Unless they bring back the thick console...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, brother!  I too have been a paying customer, fan, etc. for 6 years now, and this new web interface will totally kill an otherwise great product.  I thought Oracle had shown the way with their new web management GUI in 10g that was a total disaster.  I immediately uninstalled 2.0, and I&#8217;m going back to 1.0.8.  I did, however, get it to work in Firefox, it was just sooo slow, clunky, and unmanageable.  Plus, you went from a 140MB install to a 500MB install file, much heavier on the host machine, performance was a total dog.  I&#8217;d say &#8211; leave it in the dust.  Unless they bring back the thick console&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DVS01</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/review-vmware-server-2-what-a-disappointment/comment-page-2/#comment-122676</link>
		<dc:creator>DVS01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be aware that VMware Server 2&#039;s web interface is an improvement to VMware Server 1, in that 1 didn&#039;t have a web interface.

As far as via a &#039;program&#039; client, that has been improved too.  The Virtual Infrastructure client can be used to connect to and manage a VMware Server 2 deployment.  The VI client is more robust than the original VMware Server client.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be aware that VMware Server 2&#8217;s web interface is an improvement to VMware Server 1, in that 1 didn&#8217;t have a web interface.</p>
<p>As far as via a &#8216;program&#8217; client, that has been improved too.  The Virtual Infrastructure client can be used to connect to and manage a VMware Server 2 deployment.  The VI client is more robust than the original VMware Server client.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/review-vmware-server-2-what-a-disappointment/comment-page-2/#comment-122631</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find that Serve 2 hangs often.  1.x never hung up.
Web interface is sluggish.  My host is running 4 Core with 4 gig of RAM and RAID 5.  Running only 2 virtual hosts.  Ran 3-4 virtual hosts on 1.x.  It was slow, but never crashed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that Serve 2 hangs often.  1.x never hung up.<br />
Web interface is sluggish.  My host is running 4 Core with 4 gig of RAM and RAID 5.  Running only 2 virtual hosts.  Ran 3-4 virtual hosts on 1.x.  It was slow, but never crashed.</p>
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		<title>By: Chrissy LeMaire</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/review-vmware-server-2-what-a-disappointment/comment-page-2/#comment-122542</link>
		<dc:creator>Chrissy LeMaire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info, Joe! I quoted you on my blog if you don&#039;t mind. You said lots of folks complain that &quot;it&#039;s&quot; bloated. Are you referring to Server 2 or webAccess? Using pmap, I found webAccess uses about 485MB of RAM so I&#039;m assuming you are talking about hostd, which used 120MB of RAM on my server.

Ultimately, though, I decided to ditch Server 2 and use ESXi instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info, Joe! I quoted you on my blog if you don&#8217;t mind. You said lots of folks complain that &#8220;it&#8217;s&#8221; bloated. Are you referring to Server 2 or webAccess? Using pmap, I found webAccess uses about 485MB of RAM so I&#8217;m assuming you are talking about hostd, which used 120MB of RAM on my server.</p>
<p>Ultimately, though, I decided to ditch Server 2 and use ESXi instead.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; VMware Server 2 for Linux: HOW-TO Disable VMware Virtual Infrastructure Web Access</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/review-vmware-server-2-what-a-disappointment/comment-page-2/#comment-122540</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; VMware Server 2 for Linux: HOW-TO Disable VMware Virtual Infrastructure Web Access</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Joe @ 4sysops.net points out a downside: The only down side to doing that is if you use the VI Client you can only [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joe, Pawtucket RI</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/review-vmware-server-2-what-a-disappointment/comment-page-2/#comment-122530</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe, Pawtucket RI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Chrissy, I mentioned the VI Client a few times =)  You did say glanced, of course.   The only down side to doing that is if you use the VI Client you can only create and manage virtual machines at version 4, not version 7 like the web interface uses.  So, if you create a VM in WI, you can&#039;t manage it with VI Client.   You would want to pick one or the other to use primarily.  I prefer the web interface, unless I were to add a VMware Server 2.0 machine to Virtual Center.   I am hoping they update virtual center at some point to support version 7 virtual machines.

I think VMware Server 2.0 is fine; I&#039;ve been using it for production machines since release (since RC, actually) and it works.  The only feature that didn&#039;t survive earlier pre-release versions to the final is the ability to view the VM console embedded in the browser.   I guess maybe it turned out to be inefficient to do so.   The launched console viewer is fine.

Lots of folks complain that it&#039;s &quot;Bloated&quot; because the disk foot print is larger or the RAM footprint is larger.   I can only imagine the disk issue being a problem for someone that already wanted to complain about SOMETHING (Wow, 130MB!  What will we all do?  To humanity!!) and the RAM footprint is really a non issue unless you&#039;re running the software on a machine with such low RAM that it&#039;s probably not a good candidate for running VMware in the first place.

I like Server 2.0, it&#039;s been good and reliable and I like being able to manage it from any PC without having to install the VMware client or open up special ports on firewalls (console viewing requires a small plug-in but not required for any other task.)

Oh well.  I guess I can accept change.   You can use it or not use it.  It&#039;s not like it costs anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Chrissy, I mentioned the VI Client a few times =)  You did say glanced, of course.   The only down side to doing that is if you use the VI Client you can only create and manage virtual machines at version 4, not version 7 like the web interface uses.  So, if you create a VM in WI, you can&#8217;t manage it with VI Client.   You would want to pick one or the other to use primarily.  I prefer the web interface, unless I were to add a VMware Server 2.0 machine to Virtual Center.   I am hoping they update virtual center at some point to support version 7 virtual machines.</p>
<p>I think VMware Server 2.0 is fine; I&#8217;ve been using it for production machines since release (since RC, actually) and it works.  The only feature that didn&#8217;t survive earlier pre-release versions to the final is the ability to view the VM console embedded in the browser.   I guess maybe it turned out to be inefficient to do so.   The launched console viewer is fine.</p>
<p>Lots of folks complain that it&#8217;s &#8220;Bloated&#8221; because the disk foot print is larger or the RAM footprint is larger.   I can only imagine the disk issue being a problem for someone that already wanted to complain about SOMETHING (Wow, 130MB!  What will we all do?  To humanity!!) and the RAM footprint is really a non issue unless you&#8217;re running the software on a machine with such low RAM that it&#8217;s probably not a good candidate for running VMware in the first place.</p>
<p>I like Server 2.0, it&#8217;s been good and reliable and I like being able to manage it from any PC without having to install the VMware client or open up special ports on firewalls (console viewing requires a small plug-in but not required for any other task.)</p>
<p>Oh well.  I guess I can accept change.   You can use it or not use it.  It&#8217;s not like it costs anything.</p>
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