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	<title>Comments on: Microsoft Online Services &#8211; Move your Exchange and Sharepoint servers to the cloud?</title>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/microsoft-online-services-move-your-exchange-and-sharepoint-servers-to-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-59364</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 08:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you’re right. Exchange hosting is an old topic. I remember that I was considering to rent an Exchange mailbox for my private mails three years ago. A German provider had a very cheap offer for small and mid-sized companies. Nobody was talking about clouds at this time.

Casey, yeah I guessed that already. What sense does it make to restrict Internet-based offers to certain countries? The Internet has no borders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you’re right. Exchange hosting is an old topic. I remember that I was considering to rent an Exchange mailbox for my private mails three years ago. A German provider had a very cheap offer for small and mid-sized companies. Nobody was talking about clouds at this time.</p>
<p>Casey, yeah I guessed that already. What sense does it make to restrict Internet-based offers to certain countries? The Internet has no borders.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey (MSFT)</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/microsoft-online-services-move-your-exchange-and-sharepoint-servers-to-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-58948</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey (MSFT)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi folks, unfortunately the Microsoft Online Services Beta is currently only available to companies located within the United States.  This is why you are seeing this error message when attempting to activate your trial.

You can track the availability of our service in other markets via our blog:
http://blogs.technet.com/msonline/

Or via our marketing site:
www.microsoft.com/online

Regards,
Casey (MSFT)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi folks, unfortunately the Microsoft Online Services Beta is currently only available to companies located within the United States.  This is why you are seeing this error message when attempting to activate your trial.</p>
<p>You can track the availability of our service in other markets via our blog:<br />
<a href="http://blogs.technet.com/msonline/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.technet.com/msonline/</a></p>
<p>Or via our marketing site:<br />
<a href="http://www.microsoft.com/online" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/online</a></p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Casey (MSFT)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/microsoft-online-services-move-your-exchange-and-sharepoint-servers-to-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-56365</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are not the only one in the space. Look at the release from groupSPARK http://www.emediawire.com/releases/exchange/online/prweb742904.htm. And see if you can integrate your MS Cloud with your BlackBerry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are not the only one in the space. Look at the release from groupSPARK <a href="http://www.emediawire.com/releases/exchange/online/prweb742904.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.emediawire.com/releases/exchange/online/prweb742904.htm</a>. And see if you can integrate your MS Cloud with your BlackBerry!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/microsoft-online-services-move-your-exchange-and-sharepoint-servers-to-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-55799</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christoph, are you searching for an alternative to Microsoft’s new Online Services or just an alternative to Sharepoint? An alternative to the Online Services might be &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hyperoffice.com/hypermain/sharepoint_alternative.cfm &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HyperOffice&lt;/a&gt;. However, I never tried it. You probably know that the “Windows Sharepoint services” (not the Online Services) are a free add-on to Windows Server.

Lukas, I agree that all these SaaS offers are more interesting for smaller companies. However, it is not really because on-premise software or hardware would be more expensive for them. Those small companies have to outsource their IT management, anyway. So they might as well outsource the whole thing. But I doubt that it will be cheaper that way. The share of hardware and software costs is usually the much smaller part of the TCO. The costs for the IT pros is the expensive part and they won’t get cheaper just because they will be working somewhere on the cloud. Every time we outsourced parts of our IT it became more expensive which is only logical.  Outsourcing means that you not only pay the external IT pros, but also their management, the secretaries, their rent, etc.

Leonardo, I think your stance is most common among IT pros. Many had in one way or another experiences about similar offers before and so they are cautious. Only time will tell if cloud computing will ever get beyond the hype phase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christoph, are you searching for an alternative to Microsoft’s new Online Services or just an alternative to Sharepoint? An alternative to the Online Services might be <a href="http://www.hyperoffice.com/hypermain/sharepoint_alternative.cfm " rel="nofollow">HyperOffice</a>. However, I never tried it. You probably know that the “Windows Sharepoint services” (not the Online Services) are a free add-on to Windows Server.</p>
<p>Lukas, I agree that all these SaaS offers are more interesting for smaller companies. However, it is not really because on-premise software or hardware would be more expensive for them. Those small companies have to outsource their IT management, anyway. So they might as well outsource the whole thing. But I doubt that it will be cheaper that way. The share of hardware and software costs is usually the much smaller part of the TCO. The costs for the IT pros is the expensive part and they won’t get cheaper just because they will be working somewhere on the cloud. Every time we outsourced parts of our IT it became more expensive which is only logical.  Outsourcing means that you not only pay the external IT pros, but also their management, the secretaries, their rent, etc.</p>
<p>Leonardo, I think your stance is most common among IT pros. Many had in one way or another experiences about similar offers before and so they are cautious. Only time will tell if cloud computing will ever get beyond the hype phase.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonardo</title>
		<link>http://4sysops.com/archives/microsoft-online-services-move-your-exchange-and-sharepoint-servers-to-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-55684</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m on the fence about offsite hosting... I&#039;ve had one bad experience with offsite exchange, I hope that customer&#039;s business catches fire.
But at least I&#039;m not bitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on the fence about offsite hosting&#8230; I&#8217;ve had one bad experience with offsite exchange, I hope that customer&#8217;s business catches fire.<br />
But at least I&#8217;m not bitter.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukas Beeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukas Beeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SaaS/ASP/Cloud, whatever it is called today. I still think it&#039;s the right way to go for very small companies which can&#039;t afford proper infrastructure (it&#039;s better to pay xxx / month instead of running SBS 2000 on 8 year old hardware), i don&#039;t see the benefits for bigger companies.

Well, of course, there&#039;s cost. Might even work out short-term and be a reason why execs will buy it. But as a technical superior solution?  I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SaaS/ASP/Cloud, whatever it is called today. I still think it&#8217;s the right way to go for very small companies which can&#8217;t afford proper infrastructure (it&#8217;s better to pay xxx / month instead of running SBS 2000 on 8 year old hardware), i don&#8217;t see the benefits for bigger companies.</p>
<p>Well, of course, there&#8217;s cost. Might even work out short-term and be a reason why execs will buy it. But as a technical superior solution?  I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Christoph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was able to sign in to the office live Beta by I  &quot;cheating&quot; on the region. I can live with the english GUI for testing purposes.
Anyway, good read and it seems like Sharepoint is the new rage out there, keep us updatet on your expereinces! This also brings me to the question: if I do not have to rely on the Sharepoint services but rather want to have something similar in functionality - mostly the workgroup environment with the team functions and the documents revision features - are there any alternatives out there? Not necessarily Open Source, any kind/brand/commercial app will do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was able to sign in to the office live Beta by I  &#8220;cheating&#8221; on the region. I can live with the english GUI for testing purposes.<br />
Anyway, good read and it seems like Sharepoint is the new rage out there, keep us updatet on your expereinces! This also brings me to the question: if I do not have to rely on the Sharepoint services but rather want to have something similar in functionality &#8211; mostly the workgroup environment with the team functions and the documents revision features &#8211; are there any alternatives out there? Not necessarily Open Source, any kind/brand/commercial app will do.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 06:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it might be related to the fact that I live in Germany. I also signed up for Office Live. Afterwards they told me that Office Live is not yet available in my “region”. So I thought it just takes some more time till the Office Live bits are “shipped” over the Atlantic. Maybe they were too heavy for air freight. But I guess you are located in the US. So this time the reason might be that Microsoft’s new cloud is still vaporwere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it might be related to the fact that I live in Germany. I also signed up for Office Live. Afterwards they told me that Office Live is not yet available in my “region”. So I thought it just takes some more time till the Office Live bits are “shipped” over the Atlantic. Maybe they were too heavy for air freight. But I guess you are located in the US. So this time the reason might be that Microsoft’s new cloud is still vaporwere.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 03:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I signed up Monday right after hearing about it for the same reason you did...I&#039;m thinking about deploying SharePoint and wanted to know more about the hosted service.  Just like you, I was told right away that there were no beta slots available for me.
Awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I signed up Monday right after hearing about it for the same reason you did&#8230;I&#8217;m thinking about deploying SharePoint and wanted to know more about the hosted service.  Just like you, I was told right away that there were no beta slots available for me.<br />
Awesome.</p>
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