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		<title>By: Rohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points.  Maybe you can answer a question I&#039;ve asked elsewhere.

Given the points you made, on the average user desk we now have:
- cheap terabyte, 
- cheap gigahz multi processor CPU&#039;s typcially at 1% utilization
- gigabyte networkds to connect the desktops

has anyone discussed doing cloud computing inside the corporate firewalls.  Make use of that massive under-utilized computing resource sitting on the average workers desktop.

Years ago I programmed an application running on a Tandem system. Great stuff, parallel processing, auto failover of all resources, many networked CPU&#039;s.  Great stuff.  The root of everything implied in cloud computing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points.  Maybe you can answer a question I&#8217;ve asked elsewhere.</p>
<p>Given the points you made, on the average user desk we now have:<br />
- cheap terabyte,<br />
- cheap gigahz multi processor CPU&#8217;s typcially at 1% utilization<br />
- gigabyte networkds to connect the desktops</p>
<p>has anyone discussed doing cloud computing inside the corporate firewalls.  Make use of that massive under-utilized computing resource sitting on the average workers desktop.</p>
<p>Years ago I programmed an application running on a Tandem system. Great stuff, parallel processing, auto failover of all resources, many networked CPU&#8217;s.  Great stuff.  The root of everything implied in cloud computing.</p>
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		<title>By: Pros &#38; Cons of Cloud Computing for Dewey Wright Itoff and Howe &#171; Dewey Wright Itoff and Howe LLP&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pros &#38; Cons of Cloud Computing for Dewey Wright Itoff and Howe &#171; Dewey Wright Itoff and Howe LLP&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and software is stored offsite. This disadvantage is two-fold. First, you will fore-go your existing computing system which may have cost you a hefty penny. Second, you have to carefully select your [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and software is stored offsite. This disadvantage is two-fold. First, you will fore-go your existing computing system which may have cost you a hefty penny. Second, you have to carefully select your [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack, I agree that for cloud vendors Open Source is more attractive, not just because of licensing costs, but also because it gives them more flexibility. But it seems to me that Microsoft is aware of this fact. Maybe that is one of the reasons why they are setting up so many “cloud datacenters” at the moment.

Derek, it is not my view that software will become an unimportant add-on. That is Nicolas Carr’s famous stance. The news sites were full of this stuff when he published his new book a few months ago. Thus, it seems that many takes him seriously.

The reason why I am quite skeptical about theories predicting that Windows will disappear is because the list of this so-called Windows rivals is getting longer and longer: OS/2, Apple, Open Source/Linux, Thin Clients, Net Computers, Java, Netscape Navigator… I am sure I forgot a few of them. This “Microsoft has a serious problem” talk is as old as Microsoft. All these rival technologies had their hype phase, but Windows is still here. Perhaps, one day one of Microsoft’s competitors will understand that it doesn’t make sense to always re-invent IT. If you seriously want to compete with Microsoft, you need a fat and sophisticated desktop OS that runs on all kinds of hardware. It is as simple as that.

As to mobile devices, they certainly have a great future. I have one myself and can’t imagine living without it anymore. But guess what OS is running on my smartphone? Yes, Windows. I just read that Windows Mobile &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS7657409435.html?kc=rss&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;outperformed &lt;/a&gt; the overall market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack, I agree that for cloud vendors Open Source is more attractive, not just because of licensing costs, but also because it gives them more flexibility. But it seems to me that Microsoft is aware of this fact. Maybe that is one of the reasons why they are setting up so many “cloud datacenters” at the moment.</p>
<p>Derek, it is not my view that software will become an unimportant add-on. That is Nicolas Carr’s famous stance. The news sites were full of this stuff when he published his new book a few months ago. Thus, it seems that many takes him seriously.</p>
<p>The reason why I am quite skeptical about theories predicting that Windows will disappear is because the list of this so-called Windows rivals is getting longer and longer: OS/2, Apple, Open Source/Linux, Thin Clients, Net Computers, Java, Netscape Navigator… I am sure I forgot a few of them. This “Microsoft has a serious problem” talk is as old as Microsoft. All these rival technologies had their hype phase, but Windows is still here. Perhaps, one day one of Microsoft’s competitors will understand that it doesn’t make sense to always re-invent IT. If you seriously want to compete with Microsoft, you need a fat and sophisticated desktop OS that runs on all kinds of hardware. It is as simple as that.</p>
<p>As to mobile devices, they certainly have a great future. I have one myself and can’t imagine living without it anymore. But guess what OS is running on my smartphone? Yes, Windows. I just read that Windows Mobile <a href="http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS7657409435.html?kc=rss" rel="nofollow">outperformed </a> the overall market.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You completely miss the point.  The idea isn&#039;t that software isn&#039;t an &quot;unimportant add-on.&quot;  The idea is the software is the only point.  Everything else is what becomes unimportant.  

The PC, the OS, maintenance, most TCO positions.  Will it happen tomorrow? No.  I don&#039;t think anyone is really making that argument.  However, it evolve into something that will replace Windows, and really all desktop computing.  Without doubt.  Why?  Because people buy computers and software to do communicate, work and play  and anything and everything that interferes with that basic proposition is subject to resistance.  The strength, up to now and in the short-term future, of Windows was that it offered the best balance of capabilities verses costs (money and time).  

As netbooks/iPhones/whatever become more and more capable of legitimately  taking on Word, Outlook and every other desktop application--again, not today--at lower costs, market forces will transition over and the importance of Windows--and every other &quot;desktop OS&quot;--will lessen.  There will simply be too much benefit and lower costs not to make the transition. 

You&#039;re right in the short term--all these FUD around cloud computing is real and there are problems to overcome.  But, given time and development, Windows will eventually loose  this war. Just as Windows replaced the myriad of inferior choices in the 80s, so to will the market evolve to require its replacement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You completely miss the point.  The idea isn&#8217;t that software isn&#8217;t an &#8220;unimportant add-on.&#8221;  The idea is the software is the only point.  Everything else is what becomes unimportant.  </p>
<p>The PC, the OS, maintenance, most TCO positions.  Will it happen tomorrow? No.  I don&#8217;t think anyone is really making that argument.  However, it evolve into something that will replace Windows, and really all desktop computing.  Without doubt.  Why?  Because people buy computers and software to do communicate, work and play  and anything and everything that interferes with that basic proposition is subject to resistance.  The strength, up to now and in the short-term future, of Windows was that it offered the best balance of capabilities verses costs (money and time).  </p>
<p>As netbooks/iPhones/whatever become more and more capable of legitimately  taking on Word, Outlook and every other desktop application&#8211;again, not today&#8211;at lower costs, market forces will transition over and the importance of Windows&#8211;and every other &#8220;desktop OS&#8221;&#8211;will lessen.  There will simply be too much benefit and lower costs not to make the transition. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right in the short term&#8211;all these FUD around cloud computing is real and there are problems to overcome.  But, given time and development, Windows will eventually loose  this war. Just as Windows replaced the myriad of inferior choices in the 80s, so to will the market evolve to require its replacement.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think cloud computing is a threat to Windows purely because open source software is a lot more convenient from a licencing perspective for cloud vendors. That said, if Microsoft want to go after the cloud vendors I am sure their customers would be happy because many already have MS skills. It would be nice to be able to take a ASP.NET based app and deploy it on a scalable architecture and just rent the storage, bandwidth and CPU/hours that are used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think cloud computing is a threat to Windows purely because open source software is a lot more convenient from a licencing perspective for cloud vendors. That said, if Microsoft want to go after the cloud vendors I am sure their customers would be happy because many already have MS skills. It would be nice to be able to take a ASP.NET based app and deploy it on a scalable architecture and just rent the storage, bandwidth and CPU/hours that are used.</p>
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